{"id":961668,"date":"2026-01-03T00:17:19","date_gmt":"2026-01-03T00:17:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/?p=449228"},"modified":"2026-01-03T00:17:19","modified_gmt":"2026-01-03T00:17:19","slug":"poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Poor Lydia Deetz gets the rawest deal in Beetlejuice 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2.jpg\" \/><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap has-text-align-none\">There\u2019s a whole lot going on in Tim Burton\u2019s sequel to his 1988 hit <em>Beetlejuice.<\/em> Burton and his writers bring back some of the original characters for <em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice<\/em>, and introduce a lot of new ones, then cram them all together in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/review\/448506\/beetlejuice-beetlejuice-tim-burton-sequel\">half a dozen distracted, incomplete plot lines<\/a>. None of the characters, new or old, get any room to breathe or assert themselves in a way that would resonate the way the original movie did.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Monica Bellucci as the film\u2019s supposed villain barely gets more than an introduction and a send-off. In his return as undead, lecherous chaos monkey Betelgeuse, Michael Keaton gets a few short set-pieces, but feels almost like a background character in his own movie. Still, the sequel\u2019s most tragic victim is poor lost Lydia Deetz (Winona Ryder), the gothic-teen heroine of the first movie, the supposed central figure in the sequel, and the biggest wasted opportunity in the whole messy deal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice <\/em>is frustratingly short on new ideas. There are a few promising threads, like Lydia\u2019s mutually frustrating estrangement from her daughter Astrid (Jenna Ortega) and Astrid\u2019s soulful connection with a local boy, Jeremy (Arthur Conti), who seems blissfully normal compared to Astrid\u2019s various weird blood relations and their hangers-on. (It\u2019s no surprise that he\u2019s up to no good: Never trust anyone in a Tim Burton movie whose whole brand is \u201cI\u2019m the normal one.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">None of these half-developed storylines come to anything, though, amid all the callbacks to the original movie, which range from recycled designs and let\u2019s-just-do-the-exact-same-thing-again visual gags right down to wholesale lifting <em>Beetlejuice<\/em>\u2019s ending for the new movie. And that exasperating lack of creativity, innovation, or iteration in the sequel is at its absolute worst when it comes to Lydia.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">In the 1988 movie, Lydia is a classic Burton oddball, an outsider who doesn\u2019t fit into the mainstream and doesn\u2019t necessarily want to. She\u2019s also an angsty teenager. But she changes a lot over the course of the movie, finding confidence and joy in life, and seemingly coming to terms with the world. So it\u2019s odd to see how she reverts to that angsty-teen version of her character in the new movie. Thirty years later, she\u2019s had a partner, a child, and a career, but she feels like the Lydia from the first film\u2019s opening act, snipped out of that story and dropped into this one. Ryder plays her with the same fixed, strained exasperation she had in 1988, plus a little more angst \u2014 but the real problem is the script, which gives her virtually nothing to work with.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">When <em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice<\/em> starts, Lydia is a popular TV medium starring in a ghost-chasing series that monetizes her not-always-welcome ability to see and talk to the dead. She\u2019s still traumatized by her teenage encounter with Betelgeuse, experiencing frequent flashbacks and nightmares. Her teenage daughter Astrid hates her, for reasons that read like someone cross-wired a couple of different script drafts: Astrid doesn\u2019t believe ghosts are real, and seems to think her mom is making up supernatural encounters for attention and money. But she\u2019s <em>also<\/em> angry at Lydia for not finding and communicating with the spirit of Astrid\u2019s father, who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23964014\/madame-web-ezekiel-marvel-in-the-amazon-with-my-mom\">disappeared in the Amazon<\/a> and might not even be dead.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">The clearest indication of how halfhearted this movie is about its human element is that there\u2019s barely a hint of who Lydia actually is as an adult, or why she does any of the things she does. Her character is written erratically and inconsistently: Over the course of just a few minutes in the early going of the movie, she treats ghosts as a frightening challenge, a boring workaday inconvenience, and a lifelong trauma. Astrid suggests that Lydia neglected and abandoned her in order to pursue a TV career, but it\u2019s never clear whether that\u2019s true, how Lydia feels about the accusation, or whether she has any thoughts about her show and her ghost-chasing fame at all.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">There might be a way to reconcile all these responses if Burton and screenwriters Alfred Gough and Miles Millar (<em>Smallville<\/em>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23462409\/wednesday-review-netflix-tim-burton\"><em>Wednesday<\/em><\/a>) gave the audience even the slightest sense of how Lydia feels about her career. Is her show a put-on, or does she actually care about the plight of the ghosts she\u2019s confronting or the haunted-house owners she\u2019s comforting? Is she cynically exploiting the afterlife for profit, or being exploited by her manager Rory (Justin Theroux)? Is she trying to save people from the things she went through as a teenager? Is she a crusader, a savior, a victim, or just someone capitalizing on a fad and commodifying her talent? We don\u2019t know, because Burton can\u2019t spare 30 seconds to let Lydia express anything that isn\u2019t immediately reactive to some bit of comedy folderol around her.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">The first <em>Beetlejuice<\/em> has Lydia as a bored, frustrated teenager who\u2019s just as estranged from her mother, Delia (Catherine O\u2019Hara), as Astrid is from Lydia in the new movie. By the time of <em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice<\/em>, Lydia and Delia seem to be on good terms, even capable of supporting and listening to each other. A version of this story that was actually interested in developing any of these characters would have plenty to draw on in Delia\u2019s insights into dealing with a frustrated, rebellious teenager, or Lydia\u2019s memories of how it felt to be that teenager.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/poor-lydia-deetz-gets-the-rawest-deal-in-beetlejuice-2-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Either of those things would give either of these women something to talk about, with each other or with Astrid \u2014 and plenty of reason to at least acknowledge the connection as they\u2019re running around the underworld having adventures. If nothing else, there\u2019d be some pathos in the way Lydia\u2019s inability to connect with Astrid mirrors her own struggles with Delia \u2014 if that were ever acknowledged, if any of these characters were being treated like people instead of props in a series of hyper hijinks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">And again, it isn\u2019t that <em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice<\/em> should have been a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.americantheatre.org\/2022\/04\/11\/the-subtext-tracy-lettss-moments-of-recognition\/\">Tracy Letts stage play<\/a>, with characters responding to crisis by loudly working out all their generational trauma. But look at any really memorable, emotionally effective comedy from the last 20 years, and you\u2019ll probably find that the screenwriters did the work of turning the characters into people instead of caricatures, of giving them ways to relate to each other and connect to each other, or at least show a little real emotion. <em>Beetlejuice Beetlejuice <\/em>squanders every opportunity for that. And it should have started with someone, at some point, deciding who the protagonist of this movie actually is, whether she\u2019s ever made a meaningful choice in her life, and whether the last 30 years have had any real effect on her at all.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/opinion\/449228\/beetlejuice-2-lydia-deetz-problem-winona-ryder\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There\u2019s a whole lot going on in Tim Burton\u2019s sequel to his 1988 hit Beetlejuice. Burton and his writers bring back some of the original characters for Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, and introduce a lot of new ones, then cram them all together in half a dozen distracted, incomplete plot lines. None of the characters, new or old, get any room to breathe or assert themselves in a way that would resonate the way the original movie did. Monica Bellucci as the film\u2019s supposed villain barely gets more than an introduction and a send-off. In his return as undead, lecherous chaos monkey Betelgeuse, Michael Keaton gets a few short set-pieces, but feels almost like a background character in his own movie. 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