{"id":1347879,"date":"2025-10-05T23:27:20","date_gmt":"2025-10-05T23:27:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/xWB6v7i3ATM5kfmFV4uyWM"},"modified":"2025-10-05T23:27:20","modified_gmt":"2025-10-05T23:27:20","slug":"after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas\/","title":{"rendered":"After years of being criticized as old-fashioned, turn-based RPGs are absolutely crushing it with new ideas"},"content":{"rendered":"<article>\n<p>For years, the developers of Final Fantasy <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/gameinformer.com\/feature\/2023\/02\/28\/final-fantasy-16-designers-discuss-why-the-series-hasnt-been-turn-based-for-a\">have fretted<\/a> that a big audience will no longer show up for turn-based games: that to make a flashy, expensive RPG these days, it&#8217;s all about the action. Perhaps that&#8217;s true when you need a game to sell in the tens of millions, but within the same period of time that both Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth have <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/gaming-industry\/square-enix-confirms-lower-than-expected-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-and-final-fantasy-16-sales-in-newly-public-financial-report-profits-unfortunately-did-not-meet-our-expectations\/\">failed to meet<\/a> the company&#8217;s lofty expectations, turn-based RPGs in general have been on such a hot streak that they&#8217;re making their action contemporaries look dusty by comparison.<\/p>\n<p>While in Tokyo last week for TGS I played three turn-based RPGs, and I only realized in hindsight that the genre unintentionally represented most of the demo time I was able to squeeze in when not filming interviews for <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/gaming-industry\/events-conferences\/every-game-trailer-and-announcement-in-the-pc-gaming-show-tokyo-direct\/\">the PC Gaming Show<\/a>. All three were fun, completely different, and embody the hot streak that turn-based RPGs have been on for at <em>least<\/em> the last year.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m specifically thinking of more Japanese-style RPGs, here, though of course if we jump back to 2023&#8217;s Baldur&#8217;s Gate 3 turn-based games don&#8217;t need much defending. But after all the talk back then about BG3 raising the bar for RPGs as a whole, I&#8217;ve been delighted this year to see JRPGs of many styles and budgets reaching for new, clever ideas.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"van-image-figure pull-right inline-layout\" data-bordeaux-image-check >\n<div class='image-full-width-wrapper'>\n<div class='image-widthsetter' style=\"max-width:1295px;\">\n<p class=\"vanilla-image-block\" style=\"padding-top:56.22%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" id=\"YwZYjgqTto66mUq5NvPDTi\" name=\"monster hunter stories egg cropped\" alt=\"Monster Hunter Stories 3 cutscene\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas.jpg\" mos=\"\" align=\"right\" fullscreen=\"\" width=\"1295\" height=\"728\" attribution=\"\" endorsement=\"\" class=\"pull-right\"><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption itemprop=\"caption description\" class=\"pull-right inline-layout\"><span class=\"credit\" itemprop=\"copyrightHolder\">(Image credit: Capcom)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Take <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/monster-hunter-wilds-may-be-on-hard-times-but-the-pokemon-inspired-monster-hunter-stories-3-seems-like-its-checking-every-box-rpg-players-want\/\">Monster Hunter Stories 3<\/a>: at the same time as Final Fantasy&#8217;s been transitioning into all-out action, Capcom has been experimenting with this little side series to see how well it can retrofit action into a turn-based combat system. This time around, it&#8217;s confident enough in the game to go much bigger with it, and even in the tutorial I found myself puzzling my way through which weapon to attack which monster part with while summoning the right monster sidekick to fight alongside me.<\/p>\n<p>The core audience will still be Monster Hunter players, but I&#8217;m willing to bet Capcom hooks a whole lot of Pok\u00e9mon folks, too, who just love catching and training up a crew to fight for them.<\/p>\n<p>The biggest surprise of TGS for me was Annapurna Interactive&#8217;s <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/create-your-band-in-people-of-note-a-turn-based-rpg-musical-that-feels-like-the-kpop-demon-hunters-tie-in-game-i-wished-for\/\">People of Note<\/a>, an indie RPG from a western studio that pastes the timed button presses of rhythm games on top of turn-based combat. In practice it plays much differently from Clair Obscur\u2014there are multiple layers of music nerdery at work here: the common &#8220;turn order&#8221; UI shows you the literal tempo of the fight, and different abilities can change the musical genre of the battle, giving one of your characters or an enemy a buff.<\/p>\n<p>Despite the developers saying you don&#8217;t need a music degree to play People of Note, it gets surprisingly deep surprisingly quickly\u2014if you have a Pavlovian response to the term &#8220;time signature&#8221; I think you&#8217;ll find yourself drooling uncontrollably while playing this game next year.<\/p>\n<p>A couple days before TGS I chatted with the longtime Japanese indie developer behind <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/the-long-awaited-successor-to-cult-hit-anti-rpg-moon-hits-steam-later-this-year\/\">Stray Children<\/a>, a follow-up to the odd but charming Moon: Remix RPG\u2014a game that heavily influenced a young Toby Fox. Since Fox released Undertale, he ended up befriending Moon creator Yoshiro Kimura, and in turn some of Undertale has seeped into Stray Children, which is coming out in English at the end of October.<\/p>\n<div class=\"youtube-video\" data-nosnippet >\n<div class=\"video-aspect-box\"><iframe data-lazy-priority=\"low\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qLXCWLk9yZc\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The official tagline is that it&#8217;s a &#8220;bittersweet, fairytale RPG,&#8221; and the 2D perspective makes it look like an old school JRPG at a glance. But I&#8217;ve played about the first hour of the game, now, without any sign of a random battle. From its trailer, what combat <em>does <\/em>exist in Stray Children looks closer to Undertale&#8217;s minigames than your standard turn-based battles. It may not even really be fitting to call Stray Children a turn-based RPG at all\u2014but it&#8217;s very much playing with the form, presentation and expectations of &#8217;90s Japanese RPGs to do something very different.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, Fox&#8217;s Undertale sequel, Deltarune, finally launched this year with its own ideas of <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/deltarunes-new-chapters-defy-every-rule-of-rpg-logic\/\">how to play with the expectations for turn-based games<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Just a couple weeks ago, <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/store.steampowered.com\/app\/3375780\/Trails_in_the_Sky_1st_Chapter\/\">Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter<\/a>\u2014a remake of a turn-based game in a long-running series\u2014launched to rave reviews. Our friends at GamesRadar+ called it &#8220;<a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.gamesradar.com\/games\/jrpg\/the-perfect-jrpg-remake-just-dropped-trails-in-the-sky-1st-chapter-threatens-to-put-final-fantasy-7-and-persona-3-to-shame-with-its-masterful-approach-to-revitalizing-a-classic\/\">a masterclass in how remakes should be done<\/a>,&#8221; calling out how it modernizes the presentation with slick camera angles and more expressive characters while sticking to its turn-based combat.<\/p>\n<p>Our own Sean Martin agreed, <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/trails-in-the-sky-1st-chapter-is-one-of-the-best-jrpg-remakes-ive-ever-played-its-also-now-the-best-way-to-get-started-with-the-beloved-series\/\" target=\"_blank\">writing just this weekend<\/a>: &#8220;It&#8217;s become all too common for publishers to trot out a simple aspect ratio shift or minimal changes before slapping the &#8216;remake&#8217; badge on a classic game. Here, however, you&#8217;ve got a remake that transforms the original Trails in the Sky into full 3D third-person, essentially the equivalent of a modern Trails game, with all of the series&#8217; QoL and combat mechanics included.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure class=\"van-image-figure inline-layout\" data-bordeaux-image-check >\n<div class='image-full-width-wrapper'>\n<div class='image-widthsetter' style=\"max-width:2560px;\">\n<p class=\"vanilla-image-block\" style=\"padding-top:56.25%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" id=\"Au6bHZNGF4PFcntZyooumW\" name=\"trails-in-the-sky-1st-chapter-8\" alt=\"Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter - Post-battle view\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas-1.jpg\" mos=\"\" align=\"middle\" fullscreen=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" attribution=\"\" endorsement=\"\" class=\"\"><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption itemprop=\"caption description\" class=\" inline-layout\"><span class=\"credit\" itemprop=\"copyrightHolder\">(Image credit: Falcom)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>1st Chapter takes a similar approach to last year&#8217;s celebrated <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/metaphor-re-fantazio\/\">Metaphor: ReFantazio<\/a>, adding snacky real-time battles on the field while saving the turn-based mode for the main course. But I think it&#8217;s more notable for flying in the face of common wisdom. Like Sega&#8217;s Like a Dragon series, Nihon Falcom&#8217;s Trails series has built a relatively small but extremely dedicated audience by releasing at least one monstrously long RPG every year, without fail, with modest graphics and intricate plotlines that are enriched by the context of having played a dozen or more of them in succession.<\/p>\n<p>All the reasons they <em>shouldn&#8217;t<\/em> be hits are why they&#8217;ve grown steadily more beloved every year.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"van-image-figure pull-right inline-layout\" data-bordeaux-image-check >\n<div class='image-full-width-wrapper'>\n<div class='image-widthsetter' style=\"max-width:3840px;\">\n<p class=\"vanilla-image-block\" style=\"padding-top:56.25%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" id=\"xKTmtJn2MV9vDJuzJjiT9R\" name=\"ss_8439c07d7b1f2fcfc6449db5f051f8d0867f4785\" alt=\"Maelle attacks an enemy in Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas-2.jpg\" mos=\"\" align=\"right\" fullscreen=\"\" width=\"3840\" height=\"2160\" attribution=\"\" endorsement=\"\" class=\"pull-right\"><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption itemprop=\"caption description\" class=\"pull-right inline-layout\"><span class=\"credit\" itemprop=\"copyrightHolder\">(Image credit: Kepler Interactive)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The list of turn-based games killing it right now goes on: We can finally play Final Fantasy Tactics on PC <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/strategy\/final-fantasy-tactics-the-ivalice-chronicles-review\/\">and it&#8217;s a stellar remake<\/a>, there&#8217;s a new Digimon RPG and <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/i-dont-believe-it-but-this-digimon-rpg-really-was-the-best-game-i-saw-at-sgf\/\">it&#8217;s actually rad<\/a>, and of course one of the most popular of the year, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, came from a team that very much called its shot. A month before release, producer Fran\u00e7ois Meurisse <a data-analytics-id=\"inline-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/clair-obscur-expedition-33s-director-was-starving-for-new-turn-based-rpgs-and-figured-if-he-wanted-them-there-would-be-others-out-there-whod-want-to-play-his-game\/\">told us<\/a> that the game&#8217;s director was &#8220;starving for new turn-based RPGs when he started development&#8221; and figured other people must be, too. The developers were also happy to admit that its timing-based blocks and parries were pulling from existing turn-based RPGs, but presenting those bursts of action in a new way.<\/p>\n<p>Clair Obscur&#8217;s success will no doubt inspire loads more developers to make that same bet, and I hope as a result we see Japanese developers as big as Square Enix rethinking whether its triple-A games <em>have<\/em> to default to action. And while I try not to wield my position of influence irresponsibly, if about 20 million of you out there buy Monster Hunter Stories 3 next year and leave Capcom a Steam review saying &#8220;Bought this so you&#8217;ll make a new Breath of Fire,&#8221; you&#8217;d be doing me\u2014and the world\u2014a service.<\/p>\n<\/article>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/games\/rpg\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas\/\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For years, the developers of Final Fantasy have fretted that a big audience will no longer show up for turn-based games: that to make a flashy, expensive RPG these days, it&#8217;s all about the action. 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While in Tokyo last week for TGS I played three turn-based RPGs, and I only realized in hindsight that the genre unintentionally represented most of the demo time I&hellip;<\/p>\n<p class=\"excerpt-more\"><a class=\"blog-excerpt button\" href=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/after-years-of-being-criticized-as-old-fashioned-turn-based-rpgs-are-absolutely-crushing-it-with-new-ideas\/\">Read More&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1347880,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[336],"tags":[748,34],"class_list":["post-1347879","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-pc-gamer","tag-games","tag-rpg"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>After years of being criticized as old-fashioned, turn-based RPGs are 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