{"id":1195410,"date":"2026-02-18T03:00:03","date_gmt":"2026-02-18T03:00:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/?p=598020"},"modified":"2026-02-18T03:00:03","modified_gmt":"2026-02-18T03:00:03","slug":"thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons\/","title":{"rendered":"Thunderbolts*\u2019 big depression metaphor hit me hard, mostly for the wrong reasons"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons.jpg\" \/><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap has-text-align-none\">The latest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23519049\/best-marvel-movies-mcu-ranked-worst\">Marvel Cinematic Universe movie<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/566333\/thunderbolts-review-marvel-florence-pugh-sebastian-stan\"><em>Thunderbolts*<\/em><\/a>, is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/how-depression-became-the-villain-of-thunderbolts.html\">baldly and emphatically about dealing with depression<\/a>. It opens with state-assassin-turned-mercenary-assassin Yelena\u200b\u200b Belova (Florence Pugh) in voiceover, musing about the \u201cemptiness\u201d that characterizes her life, how she can\u2019t enjoy or connect to things the way she used to. The story repeatedly touches on different ways people self-medicate to survive the loss of hope, from alcohol and drugs to a variety of forms of emotional suppression. The action climax has the heroes physically battling a powerful, destructive manifestation of one character\u2019s bottomless despair and self-hatred.\u200b\u200b Trust a superhero movie to find a way to let someone punch depression in the face&nbsp;\u2014&nbsp;a cathartic act for those of us who\u2019ve gone through these particular mental health struggles, though not a practical solution outside of a fantasy setting.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Even in the middle of a long wave of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/2020\/7\/6\/21314791\/new-horror-movies-2020-relic-sea-fever\">horror movies that turn anxiety and PTSD into literal monsters<\/a>, though, it\u2019s strange to see Marvel turning mental health crisis management into a punch-\u2019em-up, in a movie that\u2019s as much cinematic therapy (and exploration of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/blog\/beyond-symptoms\/202505\/thunderbolts-marvels-allegory-of-recovery-from-trauma\">complex PTSD, exposure therapy, and cognitive behavioral therapy<\/a>) as it is action-adventure story. And it\u2019s even odder to get to the end of the film and see what\u2019s missing. The <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em> writers, with director Jake Schreier,<em> <\/em>get some things right about this kind of mental illness. But having navigated depression myself, I squirmed at parts of the messaging, particularly at the movie\u2019s climax. As much as the filmmakers want to leave viewers with positive, even actionable messages about mental health, parts of those messages land oddly for those of us who\u2019ve been there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">[<strong>Ed. note: <\/strong>Major spoilers ahead for <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em>, including end spoilers.]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">For much of the movie, Yelena is the face of depression in the movie\u2019s central metaphor. A lot of her arc throughout this film involves her analyzing and fighting her own hopelessness and weariness, then trying to connect with other people when she recognizes the same emotions in them. At times, she blows up at anyone trying to connect with her in return. One of the movie\u2019s most purposefully painful scenes features her railing at her dad figure Red Guardian (David Harbour) about how guilt, grief, and isolation have taken over her life, and eventually turning on all the other heroes she\u2019s been tentatively connecting with, doing everything she can to tear them down emotionally as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">But the movie\u2019s real conflict involves Bob (Lewis Pullman), an experimental test subject who Yelena and three other mercenaries \u2014 John Walker from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/tv\/22375650\/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-episode-4-super-soldiers\"><em>The<\/em> <em>Falcon and the Winter Soldier<\/em><\/a>, Ghost from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/2018\/6\/27\/17508562\/ant-man-and-the-wasp-review-paul-rudd-evangeline-lilly\"><em>Ant Man and The Wasp<\/em><\/a>, and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/596372\/thunderbolts-taskmaster-death-planned-story-arc\">ill-fated Taskmaster<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/reviews\/22555657\/black-widow-review\"><em>Black Widow<\/em><\/a> \u2014 meet in a bunker where they\u2019ve all been set up to die. As the merc team tries to figure out how to escape the bunker alive, Bob says he has no value to them, and it would be better for everyone if he just remained locked up down below. Yelena immediately recognizes this as a self-destructive impulse akin to her own, and tries to counsel and comfort Bob, and help him see his own worth. In the process, she\u2019s talking herself through her own depression as much as she\u2019s trying to help him fight his.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Later, though, Bob gets a bigger jolt of self esteem from the movie\u2019s villain, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23450015\/valentina-allegra-de-fontaine-black-panther-wakanda-forever-julia-louis-dreyfus\">Valentina Allegra de Fontaine<\/a> (Julia Louis-Dreyfus), who tries to set him up as Sentry, a hero completely under her control. That plan falls apart, unleashing <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/455057\/sentry-bob-thunderbolts\">the Void, a powerful force that drags everything around it into shadow<\/a>. It\u2019s about as literal a depiction of depression as you\u2019re likely to see on screen \u2014&nbsp;especially since the whole time the Void is blanketing Manhattan in darkness and blasting its inhabitants into dark smudges, it\u2019s whispering bleak messages about the futility of struggle, the pointlessness of everything, and especially how laughable he considers Bob\u2019s fleeting attempts at self worth.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Anyone who\u2019s fought depression&nbsp;\u2014 clinical and ongoing, short-term and conditional, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.health.harvard.edu\/mind-and-mood\/six-common-depression-types\">anything in between<\/a> \u2014&nbsp;will recognize some of the Void\u2019s toxic messaging, and will see it as a metaphor for that inner voice that whispers, <em>You\u2019ve messed everything up<\/em> or <em>Your friends don\u2019t really care about you<\/em> or <em>You have no value<\/em> or just <em>Give up, there\u2019s no point in trying. <\/em>It\u2019s easy to sympathize with Bob\u2019s frustration with that voice, and his desire to pound it into submission. <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em>\u2019 smartest insight is that his rage and frustration aren\u2019t much use in fighting the Void: They give him the nerve and impetus to resist it, but they aren\u2019t a solution on their own. The usual dynamics of superhero films aside,\u200b\u200b violence isn\u2019t the answer here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Instead, the answer turns out to be a group hero-hug, a verbal reminder that Bob isn\u2019t alone, and an admission that sometimes, the best we can hope for is company in misery. That can be a powerful idea: One of the worst parts of chronic depression is the feeling of being exiled, distanced from everyone else, locked into a poisonous little world where your thoughts run in circles, and every self-defeating impulse and thought feeds the next one. The group hug breaks the cycle for Bob, and lets him see outside the hallucinatory world he\u2019s built for himself \u2014 a place where he both relives and hides from his most traumatizing memories. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/567532\/thunderbolts-new-avengers-dark-lineup-confusing\">Thunderbolts\/New Avengers team<\/a> hauls him back into the real world, where he can start healing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">That\u2019s a solid metaphor, and an effective cinematic way of externalizing a largely internal conflict. (It works similarly well in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.laika.com\/our-films\/paranorman\">Laika\u2019s <em>ParaNorman<\/em><\/a>, another movie where a hero has to dive into a villain\u2019s fantasy headspace, navigate their trauma, and break their cycle of misery with a simple \u201cI understand your suffering and you aren\u2019t alone.\u201d) But it misses one big issue with depression, the aspect of the movie that most made me shrink in my seat in the theater: the sense of shame that comes with needing this kind of help, and with putting this much weight and demand on other people.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">There\u2019s a comforting fantasy in the idea that even though everyone in <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em> is navigating major traumas of their own, they\u2019re all capable of temporarily setting their personal issues aside to focus on comforting and supporting Bob. Granted, they don\u2019t have much choice, given that he\u2019s encompassing the world in nightmarish darkness. Still, the film frames that group hug as an act of caring and empathy, not desperation or grudging heroic obligation. His easy ability to absorb that comfort when it comes, though, to take on Yelena\u2019s message of companionship as a real fix for his loneliness, and to do it without embarrassment \u2014 to me, that felt harder to believe than MCU multiverses or magic, and almost toxic itself in its lack of weight or complexity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">I\u2019ve been through this kind of crisis myself, facing my own mental health struggles or trying to help friends navigate theirs. And shame is often a major factor, both as an ongoing part of the larger weight of depression and, in moments like these, where long-simmering melancholy reaches a boiling point. It\u2019s hard to accept help. It\u2019s hard to admit to problems. The societal view of depression holds that everyone should be strong, independent, and self-contained, and that it should be embarrassing to demand other people\u2019s time, attention, or love.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">More personally, when everyone around you is in crisis, it feels selfish to demand special attention or to compound the demands other people are facing. It makes sense that the <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em> filmmakers didn\u2019t want to send Bob down a shame spiral when he returns to the real world, complicating the movie\u2019s feel-good beat with a second breakdown. But their solution is to make him cheerfully oblivious about the trials he\u2019s put the rest of the world through. That lack of self-awareness becomes even more awkward and unpleasant when his condition is played for comedy.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons-4.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">By the end of the climactic battle in <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em>, the Void has been temporarily vanquished, and Bob is back in the real world as a mostly normal human. But he has no memory of anything he just went through, or any of the havoc his friends suffered because of him. Standing in the wreckage of the Manhattan block he destroyed minutes earlier, almost killing dozens of people with falling wreckage before almost obliterating millions with his powers, he\u2019s blithely unaware of the trouble he\u2019s caused. His memory lapse is treated like a gag, but it\u2019s a horrific story beat.&nbsp;He hasn\u2019t learned anything from his experiences. He isn\u2019t capable of gratitude for what his friends just went through to help him. And he isn\u2019t capable of returning their care, or offering support in return.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Some aspects of the final Bob confrontation felt entirely authentic to me \u2014 the specific undermining whispers the Void has for him, say, or Bob\u2019s confused veering between anger and despair. There\u2019s certainly wisdom in the admission that while no one can fill the gaping hole inside someone else, we can at least share our experiences, commiserate with other people, and work around that feeling of being alone.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Even so, I was shocked how uncomfortable I felt with the idea of him making his problem into everyone else\u2019s problem, forcing all the other characters to drop everything to take care of him. The problem isn\u2019t just that he <em>needs help<\/em>, because we all need help from time to time. It\u2019s the way his need eclipses everyone else\u2019s \u2014\u00a0and then the way that once his needs are met, he\u2019s breezily happy and disengaged from the struggles all his friends are facing. It\u2019s a bizarrely lighthearted transition away from the film\u2019s heavier look at depression. And it\u2019s certainly a harsh way to portray caretaking, as a crucial yet hilariously thankless and kind of unfulfilling job.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">The obvious implication here is that Bob might return to being the Void at some point, and that in the meantime, the other members of his team will have to navigate their own crises without any meaningful input from him. They\u2019re learning how to form a community and support each other, but he\u2019s set up as an endless drag on their empathy and energy and resources, with nothing to contribute and no sense of self-awareness about it. For someone who\u2019s had to ask others for help, this version of Bob is humiliating all on its own \u2014&nbsp;a portrayal of depression as a kind of bottomless, oblivious selfishness.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons-5.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">For me, that image is more frightening than the Void itself. Possibly the only good things that come from navigating a mental health crisis are the ability to recognize the symptoms and navigate them more effectively the next time whenever they surface again, and the ability to see the signs in other people and connect with them. Maybe Bob\u2019s value to the group is in serving as an example, training the team to trust each other more, showing them how to selflessly respond to and support each other through their various crises. Maybe it\u2019s fine that he\u2019s the guy who showed up at the potluck with an opened package of napkins, while everyone else spent hours whipping up homemade food, because it\u2019s not his fault he doesn\u2019t know how to feed himself, and there\u2019s still enough food to go around.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Certainly I appreciate that Bob is able to hear and accept the message that he isn\u2019t alone. In the real world, that kind of connection can be difficult to internalize, and difficult to believe or accept as help in the midst of a depressive episode. And I appreciate that the <em>Thunderbolts*<\/em> writers (original writer Eric Pearson and a rewrite team including <em>Beef<\/em> writer Lee Sung Jin and <em>The Bear<\/em>\u2019s showrunner\/co-creator Joanna Calo) have the sense to not portray the big hug-it-out moment as a permanent, magical fix to Bob\u2019s problems: At best, it\u2019s an interruption in the pattern, and a suggestion of a path forward for his friends, who are all facing their own mental health battles. It\u2019s a sensible reminder that every depression episode is its own unique challenge, and sometimes just surviving the moment is enough.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">But leaving Bob as a <a href=\"https:\/\/pervocracy.blogspot.com\/2012\/06\/missing-stair.html\">permanent broken stair<\/a> in his friend group, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/596602\/bob-lewis-pullman-thunderbolts-tom-hiddleston-loki-thirst-trap\">amiable, adorkable, hapless dude<\/a> who just might explode at any moment, feels like a horror. Bob isn\u2019t <em>completely<\/em> oblivious by the end of the movie \u2014 presumably his friends have filled him in on what they went through with him. He isn\u2019t fixed, and he knows it. But he\u2019s doing the work:&nbsp;reading a self-help book (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Creative-Act-Way-Being\/dp\/0593652886\">Rick Rubin\u2019s <em>The Creative Act: A Way of Being<\/em><\/a>), avoiding behavior he knows triggers his depression, expressing his needs to other people. (Not shown: therapy, medication, or learned therapeutic techniques like CBT.) He\u2019s stable, for the moment, and he\u2019s consciously practicing self-care. Certainly that\u2019s more of a kindness than leaving him wallowing in shame and guilt over everything the Void nearly did.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Still, in a movie that\u2019s so much about positive messaging \u2014&nbsp;whispered counterarguments to the Void, parallel messages that say, <em>You aren\u2019t alone in this, other people have been here too <\/em>and <em>Your friends really do care about you, you just need to let them in<\/em> \u2014 I don\u2019t know what Bob\u2019s shameless, comfortable complacency at the end really gets us, except a sense that it\u2019s kind of funny to be needy, damaged, and destructive. Some of this response, I recognize, is my own Void still whispering back at me, identifying with the villainous parts of Bob instead of the human ones.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">But I\u2019ll stand by this as long as I\u2019m fighting my own mental health fight: I\u2019d rather be part of the team, fighting through my own embarrassment and pain to try to hug people and help them, than to be Bob, causing problems I don\u2019t even see, and then walking away smiling afterward. I\u2019ve known a lot of people fighting this kind of inner war, and I\u2019ve fought it myself, for most of my life. None of us are as complacent about it as Bob, or as willing to let other people do all the work on our behalf. And it feels a wee bit cavalier to put him through this titanic battle \u2014\u00a0to go through the thoughtful work of humanizing mental health struggles and portraying them as a heroic battle against evil \u2014 and then robbing Bob of the chance to really process anything he\u2019s experienced, or take a meaningful role in his own recovery. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/598020\/thunderbolts-depression-explained-mental-health-representation\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The latest Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, Thunderbolts*, is baldly and emphatically about dealing with depression. It opens with state-assassin-turned-mercenary-assassin Yelena\u200b\u200b Belova (Florence Pugh) in voiceover, musing about the \u201cemptiness\u201d that characterizes her life, how she can\u2019t enjoy or connect to things the way she used to. The story repeatedly touches on different ways people self-medicate to survive the loss of hope, from alcohol and drugs to a variety of forms of emotional suppression. The action climax has the heroes physically battling a powerful, destructive manifestation of one character\u2019s bottomless despair and self-hatred.\u200b\u200b Trust a superhero movie to find a way to let someone punch depression in the face&nbsp;\u2014&nbsp;a cathartic act for those of us who\u2019ve gone through these particular mental health struggles, though not a&hellip;<\/p>\n<p class=\"excerpt-more\"><a class=\"blog-excerpt button\" href=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/thunderbolts-big-depression-metaphor-hit-me-hard-mostly-for-the-wrong-reasons\/\">Read More&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1195411,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1195410","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-polygon"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Thunderbolts*\u2019 big depression metaphor hit me hard, mostly for the wrong reasons | Arcader News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The latest Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, Thunderbolts*, is baldly and emphatically about dealing with depression. 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