{"id":1006633,"date":"2026-01-10T13:58:28","date_gmt":"2026-01-10T13:58:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/?p=465088"},"modified":"2026-01-10T13:58:28","modified_gmt":"2026-01-10T13:58:28","slug":"the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/arcader.org\/news\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect\/","title":{"rendered":"The art of gore: Timo Tjahjanto on why keeping movie action bloody is a matter of \u2018respect\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" data-caption=\"\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect.jpg\" \/><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap has-text-align-none\">With his blood-soaked tales of violence and vengeance like <em>The Night Comes for Us <\/em>and <em>Headshot<\/em>, Timo Tjahjanto earned a reputation as one of the world\u2019s goriest action directors. But he doesn\u2019t see himself that way.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Tjahjanto began his filmmaking career making slasher movies as half of the Mo brothers, teaming up with his longtime friend Kimo Stamboel. Since the end of their formal partnership, the Mo brothers have largely worked on their own projects, with Stamboel working in the horror genre and Tjahjanto primarily (but not exclusively) making violent action movies.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Tjahjanto took the action world by storm with 2018\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/2018\/10\/19\/18001542\/the-night-comes-for-us-review-netflix\"><em>The Night Comes for Us<\/em><\/a>, a brutal thriller led by two of Indonesian cinema\u2019s foremost martial arts stars, Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim. The movie occasionally gets labeled as \u201caction horror,\u201d in spite of its fairly conventional crime-thriller narrative, because of how unflinchingly Tjahjanto depicts extreme, bone-breaking, blood-soaked violence. The stylish, carnage-filled fight sequences left a mark on action cinema other directors are still scrambling to match.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"Star Aurora Ribero in &lt;em&gt;The Shadow Strays&lt;\/em&gt;\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">His new movie, <em>The Shadow Strays<\/em>, premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival in September, and finally dropped on Netflix on Oct. 17. It follows a teenage soldier who is being trained as a member of an elite group of top-secret assassins called the Shadows. When a mission goes wrong, she\u2019s sidelined by the Shadows and gets entangled in a dispute between her young neighbor and local gangsters. Like most Tjahjanto projects, the film features several decapitations and \u201cgallons\u201d of blood. (The director estimated 85% of the blood was practical \u2014 like many splatter fans, the man loves squibs.) It\u2019s also <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/24091121\/best-action-movies-2024-watch\">one of 2024\u2019s best action movies<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">But Tjahjanto doesn\u2019t consider himself a particularly gory filmmaker \u2014 he sees his movies as a way to be honest about real-world consequences of violence. A self-described \u201cindulgent\u201d filmmaker, Tjahjanto \u2014 wearing a Nine Inch Nails shirt and feeling \u201cexhausted and relieved\u201d after recently wrapping filming on the upcoming <em>Nobody 2<\/em> \u2014 spoke with Polygon about his approach to gore in action, his cinematic influences, and sticking with practical blood when the rest of the industry is moving to CG effects.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><em>This interview has been edited for concision and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" \/>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>Polygon: I think of you as one of the gorier action directors working today. Do you see yourself that way?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>Timo Tjahjanto: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t really think so. Granted, I haven\u2019t seen them \u2014 not because I don\u2019t want to see them, but just because of the timing of it all and the accessibility of it all \u2014 but I\u2019ve heard there are films like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/24163417\/kill-action-movie-thriller-indian-lakshya-train\"><em>Kill<\/em><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23602798\/project-wolf-hunting-gory-action-horror-movie\"><em>Project Wolf Hunting<\/em><\/a> that seem to be doing quite OK in that department. From what little clips I\u2019ve seen, they seem to be way bloodier.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">I think there was a phase in my life \u2014 when I just started as a filmmaker, I did this little film with Kimo [Stamboel], my friend. It\u2019s called <em>Macabre<\/em>, one of the first Indonesian slasher films. And I think at the time, our goal was like, <em>Let\u2019s be the goriest Indonesian flick ever.<\/em> But weirdly, after <em>The Night Comes for Us<\/em> and everything, I just don\u2019t feel like I was necessarily aiming for gore. I think it\u2019s just that there needs to be a certain, weirdly enough, respect to violence and what it can do to the human body. I feel like we have to, in some way, hold ourselves accountable as filmmakers to show just how traumatizing violence can be.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect-2.jpg\" alt=\"In The Night Comes For Us, three bloody men (and one small girl) hold bloody knives and look towards the camera\" title=\"In The Night Comes For Us, three bloody men (and one small girl) hold bloody knives and look towards the camera\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"&lt;em&gt;The Night Comes for Us&lt;\/em&gt; | Image: Netflix\" data-portal-copyright=\"Image: Netflix\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">We live in a violent world. If you see what\u2019s on the internet, what\u2019s on formerly known as Twitter, X, just the accessibility of violent content \u2014 people from a lot of parts of America, for example, there\u2019s a lot of people getting riled up and start beating each other up for nothing. Not that I\u2019m saying America is the only violent place. I think the world generally has become a much more violent place, or much more exposed to the media. It\u2019s weird when people see my films like, <em>Holy shit, that\u2019s so gory and violent!<\/em> I\u2019m like, <em>Man, have you seen the real world?<\/em> It\u2019s so fucking crazy out there that I feel like sometimes my film is a PG version of it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>I\u2019m glad you brought up the respect for violence, because one of the reasons I\u2019m drawn to your approach to gore in action is because it feels more honest. If you\u2019re not showing that level of destruction, you\u2019re sanitizing the violence, and not being honest with the viewer about the actual effects of what\u2019s happening.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">That\u2019s what I always try to do. I think the human body is weirdly fragile and resilient at the same time. If any of your bones have been broken, or if you\u2019ve ever had a deep cut, it\u2019s so weird how biology reacts to it all.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>But beyond that, gore can also add stakes to a scene, it can add excitement, it can add humor. How do you balance those elements?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Well, that\u2019s the thing. I think at a certain level, violence has to become funny. And I learned this from, or I copied this from, the great Takashi Miike. I think he\u2019s always walking that line, realizing that the world is a crazy, fucked-up place, and one way you can deal with it is by using a lot of humor. If you watch something like <em>Ichi the Killer<\/em>, for example, that thing is <em>dark<\/em>, man. In Takashi Miike\u2019s world, everything is fair and square. Women, men, we are both capable of violence, and we are both capable of being the victim. And I try to do that in my films.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"&lt;em&gt;The Shadow Strays&lt;\/em&gt;\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>One example I think is interesting is <\/strong><strong><em>The Big 4<\/em><\/strong><strong>, which has a tonal difference from your other movies.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Well, I think just because it\u2019s gory doesn\u2019t necessarily mean it has to be a feel-bad movie. I think that works quite well. <em>Bad Boys<\/em> can be a feel-good experience, and it has its moments of violence. And gore, especially if you\u2019re talking about <em>Bad Boys II<\/em> \u2014 Michael Bay really pushes the limit to what kinetic violence can be. And I always feel like, you can make a less violent film and it becomes a much gloomier film, but you can also make a much more splattery and \u201chead getting blown off by a shotgun\u201d movie, and it still in the end has a heartwarming quality to it. Look at <em>Shaun of the Dead<\/em>, one of my favorites. And that thing is the ultimate feel-good film\u2026 depending on how you look at it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>You brought up <\/strong><strong><em>Macabre<\/em><\/strong><strong> earlier. Do you think your horror roots have an impact in terms of your perception of gore in action?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Kind of, yes. But having said that, I think it\u2019s also childishness. Look, part of the beauty in horror is, you don\u2019t necessarily need to be gory in terms of the approach to thrills. And as much as I would love to say, \u201cOh, I\u2019m very well-versed in horror,\u201d I think right now I\u2019m only well-versed in a specific type of horror, which is one that is often violent. I think a lot of that comes from me growing up on <em>Friday the 13th<\/em> and <em>Texas Chain Saw Massacre<\/em>. <em>Texas Chain Saw Massacre<\/em> has such a huge impact on me in terms of how I look at violence, which is relentless.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">I probably watch it maybe once or twice a year. It never ceases to amaze me. When you\u2019re in your teens and you watch it, you think it\u2019s the bloodiest film ever. And then when you watch it again after you\u2019ve grown up, there\u2019s hardly any blood in it. It is pure terror and it\u2019s pure viscerality without actually showing you anything. And there lies the genius of Tobe Hooper making this film. So yeah, I\u2019m just a little bit less disciplined than people like Tobe Hooper.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect-1.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"Tjahjanto and Ribero on the set of &lt;em&gt;The Shadow Strays&lt;\/em&gt;\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>I loved what you had to say to some critics of <\/strong><strong><em>The Shadow Strays<\/em><\/strong><strong> about how <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Timobros\/status\/1836211810682441901\"><strong>filmmaking is an indulgent act<\/strong><\/a><strong>, and I really appreciate that you see it that way, that making art is something that you do for yourself, and the hope is that other people are on board with you.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">I think that\u2019s the thing. I don\u2019t mean that to attack a critique: I think when I saw the critique, I was like, <em>Oh, well, I agree with a lot of it<\/em>. I think honestly, I\u2019m the kind of filmmaker who always goes for character first and plotting later. So that\u2019s why my plots tend to be simplistic. And I do admit that I feel, well, most stories have been told. For me, it\u2019s better to rely on the humanity of the characters and hope that the audience can hold onto that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">But when people say, \u201cHey, too much self-indulgence can be too much of a good thing,\u201d I feel like, <em>Well, no<\/em>. Because here I am given enough freedom, thankfully, by Netflix to do almost everything that I want to do, and I think I have to sort of indulge in it rather than restrain myself, even though I am still restraining myself. If I went full indulgence, I think you\u2019d see a lot of kinkier shit in it, and all these sick sort of violent images that I have. I always feel like, a movie-watching experience, you have to be able to give everything you\u2019ve got to the audience<em>.<\/em> It\u2019s not like a series, it\u2019s not like <em>The Boys<\/em>,<em> <\/em>where you might fail in the first episode or second episode, but you can make it up in the eighth episode.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">I just feel like, <em>Well, I have this many hours, and I just want to give my audience the shit that they want<\/em>. Look at <em>RRR<\/em> \u2014 that film is self-indulgent as fuck, and it\u2019s one of the best films ever made in the world. I just feel there\u2019s a time for self-restraint, but action is one of those genres where you just need to keep on pulling the trigger. Someday I\u2019ll be a better writer and I\u2019ll probably do better plotting, but for now, I\u2019m still learning.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect-3.jpg\" alt=\"A woman with a sword stands over a decapitated body which has leaked blood onto the snow in a cropped poster for The Shadow Strays\" title=\"A woman with a sword stands over a decapitated body which has leaked blood onto the snow in a cropped poster for The Shadow Strays\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"&lt;em&gt;The Shadow Strays&lt;\/em&gt;\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>The depiction of blood and gore has changed over time, with new technology leading a lot of productions to move away from practical blood and squibs and over to VFX blood. What\u2019s your philosophy on that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">It\u2019s weird. I saw that there was a critique [of <em>The Shadow Strays<\/em>] that says, <em>Oh, the use of CGI blood<\/em>. Weirdly, <em>Shadow Strays <\/em>is like 85% practical blood. I think that it\u2019s just because of the technology that I use, which is a lot of blood tubing and all that stuff. It does look excessive to the point that you think it\u2019s actually CGI. I pride myself in taking a lot of time for <em>The Shadow Strays<\/em>. Things can get long in the shooting process, just because placing all those squibs and blood tubes takes time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>That\u2019s what I always hear, is how much it expands the budget and your time just from cleaning up between takes.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Exactly. And costumes, and all those little things. Fortunately, making films in Indonesia, I can sort of afford it. So I actually indulge the fuck out of making all those things. Watching <em>The Shadow Strays <\/em>so many times through editing, I had the suspicion people are going to think this is actually CGI blood, even though it\u2019s actually meticulous condom use and timed blood tubes and all that stuff. I\u2019m a proponent of using as many squibs as possible. I know that\u2019s cumbersome. But actors react better to it. They react, they feel the pain. They feel like, <em>Oh shit, blood\u2019s really spurting out of me<\/em>. And that always helps.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">There are some enhancements, just because sometimes the blood doesn\u2019t redirect the way it should. But man, we were having fun. There were always gallons of blood behind the camera where we pump it up there. Especially for the first sequence \u2014 that whole Japanese sequence is me being inspired by Takeshi Kitano\u2019s <em>Zatoichi<\/em>, but he was using CGI blood. I was thinking, <em>I want to be like Kitano, when he just completely goes batshit with blood, but I\u2019m going to try to use practical blood tubes<\/em>. So that\u2019s what we did, man.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/arcader.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/the-art-of-gore-timo-tjahjanto-on-why-keeping-movie-action-bloody-is-a-matter-of-respect-2.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" data-has-syndication-rights=\"1\" data-caption=\"&lt;em&gt;The Shadow Strays&lt;\/em&gt;\" data-portal-copyright=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>You\u2019ve mentioned Kitano, you\u2019ve mentioned Miike, you\u2019ve mentioned Tobe Hooper. Are there any other big figures for you when it comes to depicting violence on screen and their use of gore?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Martin Scorsese. When he\u2019s shooting violence, it\u2019s almost like he sometimes reverts back to being a young filmmaker. And I think he always has that spirit of being a young filmmaker. That\u2019s the beauty of him. He can be 89 and he still shoots like a 35-year-old Sam Peckinpah on coke and LSD. One of the best violent scenes that I think is often overlooked is actually in <em>The Departed<\/em>, when Jack Nicholson and Ray Winstone got ambushed. Just like this fucking crash zoom lands and [there\u2019s] fucking blood and [<em>mimics the blood spraying everywhere<\/em>] and all that shit. And I was like, <em>Man, that\u2019s fucking beautiful! I want to steal that shit. But I still don\u2019t have enough skill to do it.<\/em> Someday!<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\"><strong>Do you have a favorite spot of gore in <em>The Shadow Strays<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">Aurora [Ribero], who plays 13, I always said to her, \u201cYou are skilled, but you are also clumsy. That\u2019s the whole point of your character. You have a lot of endurance because you are young,\u201d as she is truly in real life, \u201cbut you are often clumsy in your fighting. But once we hand you a sharp-edge weapon, you go berserk.\u201d Whenever she\u2019s given any weapon of sharp edge, be it a kitchen knife, be it a fucking screwdriver, she just goes crazy. I always loved that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">By the end of shooting, she became so good at it. It\u2019s so fucking cool. She never had any martial arts experience, and whenever she does the stabbing, it\u2019s almost like somebody who\u2019s been living in prison for 30 years and is a master shanker. She\u2019s so good. And there\u2019s a whole sequence later in the film, when she fights a certain somebody and she just uses a screwdriver to go crazy \u2014 I think that\u2019s one of my favorites, just because of how ridiculous it looked with the blood and everything, and just how well it makes sense, because at this point she doesn\u2019t have anything to lose. She\u2019s just going crazy, and I love that.<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" \/>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-none\">The Shadow Strays<em> is on Netflix now.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/action\/465088\/timo-tjahjanto-gore-action-violence-interview-shadow-strays-netflix\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With his blood-soaked tales of violence and vengeance like The Night Comes for Us and Headshot, Timo Tjahjanto earned a reputation as one of the world\u2019s goriest action directors. But he doesn\u2019t see himself that way. Tjahjanto began his filmmaking career making slasher movies as half of the Mo brothers, teaming up with his longtime friend Kimo Stamboel. Since the end of their formal partnership, the Mo brothers have largely worked on their own projects, with Stamboel working in the horror genre and Tjahjanto primarily (but not exclusively) making violent action movies.\u00a0 Tjahjanto took the action world by storm with 2018\u2019s The Night Comes for Us, a brutal thriller led by two of Indonesian cinema\u2019s foremost martial arts stars, Iko Uwais and Joe Taslim. 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